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Do Cult Leaders Believe Their Own Lies? Cult Deprogrammer on Weird Cults and Popular Religions

Hi everyone,

Everybody has heard of cults, but could you define what they are? You might imagine a small, isolated group following a deceitful leader into all kinds of evil. But do cults have to be small? Do cults even have to be bad?

Rick Alan Ross is a cult expert and deprogrammer, as well as founder and executive director of the nonprofit Cult Education Institute. He has been involved in both voluntary and non-voluntary deprogramming interventions, met cult leaders, and studied cults extensively.

Critics of a group will often brand it as a “cult”. Religion, the manosphere, the MAGA movement, Taylor Swift fans; any group of sufficient enthusiasm will suffice. Is there any truth to such ideas? And if not, how can we define a cult so as not to include them?

Rick joins me in this episode to discuss such questions, and to explore some of the stranger and lesser-known cults he has encountered, some of which still function today.

I’m looking forward, as always, to your early comments. The rest of the world gets this in a few days.

TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 – Are All Cults Bad?
5:50 – Is Christianity Just a Big Cult?
20:59 – Do Cult Leaders Actually Believe It?
26:04 – When Rick Met a Cult Leader
31:32 – Which People are Most Susceptible to Cults?
36:44 – Are the Charles Manson Followers Victims?
43:23 – Are Bigger or Smaller Cults More Dangerous?
56:14 – What are the Signs Someone is Joining a Destructive Cult?
58:56 – What Destructive Cults are Active Now?
01:04:14 – Is the Manosphere a Cult?
01:10:50 – What Makes People Leave Cults?
01:19:01 – Staging Interventions for Cult Members
01:24:01 – Are Involuntary Cult Interventions Ethical?
01:33:25 – Where Do Interventions Go Wrong?
01:36:34 – Groups Commonly Mistaken for Cults
01:38:54 – Is Donald Trump a Cult Leader?
01:44:18 – What is the John Frum Cargo Cult?

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